Perfectly Hidden Depression | Interview with Dr. Margaret Rutherford | Episode 131

I had the absolute pleasure of talking with the inspiring Dr. Margaret Rutherford. Let me tell you, Dr. Margaret’s journey is nothing short of transformative. She opened up about the pressures we put on ourselves to be perfect and how embracing both strengths and weaknesses is the key to self-acceptance. We had a fantastic discussion about the beautifully imperfect stories that connect us more deeply than any facade of perfection ever could. Margaret’s decision to share her personal struggles on social media was initially terrifying, but she found an overwhelming wave of support that made it all worth it.

Dr. Margaret also delved into a topic close to her heart: "perfectly hidden depression." It’s a term she coined for those of us who keep up appearances while battling inner turmoil. We unpacked the ten traits of this condition, and she shared compelling stories, including one about a man named Steve who found joy and healing through small changes like yoga. We also reminisced about our own childhood pressures and how societal norms can mess with our self-image and behavior as adults. I must say, hearing about Margaret’s transition from a singer and jingle writer to a seasoned psychologist gave me so many insights into the resilience of the human spirit.

Dr. Margaret’s dedication to mental health awareness, highlighted by her work on "The Hidden Opponent" and her viral TEDx talk, left me in awe. We both agree that recognizing and addressing the root causes of perfectionism can lead to a more fulfilling life. This episode is a heartfelt call to embrace our vulnerabilities and make small yet significant changes towards self-acceptance. So, here's your friendly reminder: be kind to yourself, acknowledge your inner struggles, and dare to take those baby steps toward healing. 

More about Dr. Margaret

Margaret Robinson Rutherford Ph.D., a clinical psychologist with thirty years of experience, is also an author, TedX speaker, and podcast host. Her book, Perfectly Hidden Depression: How to Break Free from the Perfectionism That Masks Your Depression, has reached thousands here in the US, as well as having an international impact, with translations reaching from Korea to Italy, Turkey to Germany. Her highly popular podcast, The SelfWork Podcast, has been continuously rated as one of the best podcasts for mental health and depression.

Dr. Margaret’s known for her vibrantly engaging and theoretically well-crafted presentations, whether live or virtual. Whether her diverse audiences are made up of mental health professionals, construction workers, or office managers, her passionate message is that healthy mental and emotional lives can be created through becoming more transparent with one another. Sharing who you really are with those you trust is a huge step toward connection and good mental health. Rates of depression and suicide are skyrocketing. And there’s something we can do!

She’s further challenging the mental health profession to question their overreliance on the official symptom checklist for diagnosis. Instead, we need to create normalcy around suicidal feelings, listen to each person’s actual experience of their life, and respond with safety and compassion, rather than stigmatizing this very real and excruciatingly painful part of human existence.
TED Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXZ5Bo5lafA 

SelfWork Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-selfwork-podcast/id1166015598 
Book “Perfectly Hidden Depression”

Takeaways:

  • Embracing Authenticity: Dr. Rutherford emphasizes the power of acknowledging both strengths and weaknesses. Self-acceptance goes a long way in combating perfectionism and fostering genuine connections.

  • Understanding Perfectly Hidden Depression: Many people mask their struggles behind a façade of perfection. It's crucial to recognize that perfectionism and depression can coexist, demanding different approaches for effective support and understanding.

  • Small Steps to Healing: Implementing "baby steps" toward change can be incredibly impactful. Simple activities, like yoga or journaling, can initiate a path to joy and self-discovery, as illustrated through personal stories shared during the episode.

Show Notes