I had the pleasure of speaking with Luke Bayliss, a researcher from Australia who is doing fascinating work around the concept of agency in suicide prevention. Our conversation challenged the traditional approach of restricting choices and instead explored how expanding options and empowering individuals might be more effective. Luke's research, which started as an open-ended exploration of suicide attempt survivors' stories, revealed something profound about personal agency and decision-making in the pathway to suicide attempts.
Supporting Communities in the Aftermath of Suicide — Why We Need to Be Proactive with Barb Smith | Ep. 137
In this episode of the Hope Illuminated podcast, I speak with the remarkable Barb Smith. We explored the critical importance of proactive postvention - reaching out to support suicide loss survivors in the immediate aftermath. Like me, Barb was propelled into this work after losing her brother John, and she's created an incredible model of community support through her Suicide Resource and Response Network in Michigan.
The research is clear - when we provide early intervention and support to those bereaved by suicide, we can help prevent years of "stumbling around in the dark forest" as my mentor Frank Campbell so aptly describes it. Dr. Julie Cerel's groundbreaking work shows that up to 135 people are exposed to each suicide death, with 15-35 people experiencing intimate, life-changing impacts. That's over 1.2 million Americans annually who need our support. Through active postvention teams and victim advocates, we can help these survivors navigate the intense emotions, practical challenges, and healing journey ahead.
What gives me hope is seeing how communities can rally together to support those impacted by suicide loss. Whether through LOSS teams (Local Outreach to Suicide Survivors), victim advocacy programs, or simply creating care packages with resources and comfort items, we can let people know they're not alone. As Barb beautifully reminded us - suicide changes us, but it doesn't have to destroy us. Twenty years after losing Carson, I still feel profound grief on his death anniversary, but I've found ways to channel that pain into purpose. Through proactive postvention, we can help others find their path forward too.
About Barb Smith:
President of the Barb Smith Suicide Resource & Response Network, recognized at the state and national level for its advocacy work in suicide prevention and aftercare.
Barb founded and facilitates one of the first and longest survivors of suicide loss support groups in Michigan. She was a voice when there was silence and stigma around suicide survivors in honor of her brother John.
As a Victims Advocate coordinator for the Saginaw County Sheriff Dept, Barb has responded with first responders to support hundreds of families following a tragic death.
Barb founded the regional LOSS team (local outreach for suicide survivors) to meet with families as a follow-up to deaths by suicide to bring hope, resources, and connections to workplaces, homes, and community spaces.
In 2020 Barb was appointed to the Governor’s Suicide Prevention Commission, most recently she was honored with the Saving A Life Award from Kevin’s Song (a statewide advocacy organization) Michigan Special Honoree award from National Alliance for Mental Illness (NAMI). Locally, her advocacy awarded her the Health Angel Award from the Saginaw Medical Society and the WAVE award for Saginaw County.
takeaways:
Proactive postvention strategies are critical in helping communities cope with the aftermath of suicide.
Resources like LOSS Teams and Survivor Support Networks are crucial in offering immediate, compassionate care.
Exposure to suicide impacts far more people than most realize, as highlighted by Julie Cerel’s research showing 135 people are affected by each suicide death.
SHOW NOTES:
Phone (989) 781-5260
Facebook URL https://www.facebook.com/BarbSmithSRRN/
Email barb.smith@srrn.net
Instagram https://www.instagram.com/barbsmithsrrn
Website srrn.net
Twitter @BarbSmithSRRN
iCare Packages (Suicide Prevention Coordinating Council): Link to iCare Packages
LOSS Teams (Dr. Frank Campbell): Link to LOSS Teams
Julie Cerel's Research on Exposure to Suicide (135 People): Link to Research
Articles on "Active Postvention": Link to Articles
Survivors of Suicide Loss Task Force (U.S. National Guidelines on Suicide Loss Grief, Trauma, and Distress): Link to Task Force
National Association for Victims Advocacy: Link to NAVAdvocacy
Alliance of Hope (Suicide Grief Support): Link to Alliance of Hope
AFSP Suicide Loss Support: Link to AFSP Support
Dougy Center (Suicide Grief Resources): Link to Dougy Center
One Minute To Save Lives – Teaming Up with Pediatricians and Families to Keep Kids Safe with Dr. Rinad Beidas | Ep. 136
Dr. Renad Beidas joins me to discuss a compelling study highlighting the critical importance of firearm safety in pediatric care. Dr. Beidas brought profound insights from her recent research involving 30 clinics implementing firearm safety conversations as part of pediatric visits. The study’s two-pronged approach—using both an updated electronic health record template and additional facilitation—remarkably increased the program's reach, with 49% of kids receiving the program when facilitation was involved, compared to a mere 22% with the template alone. This initiative responds to a pressing need for pediatricians to discuss secure firearm storage with parents, an effort underscored by the tragic statistic that firearm injuries are now the leading cause of death among youth.
Transforming Medical Culture: Dr. Christine Yu Moutier's Mission for Mental Health and Self-Care | Ep. 135
I had the profound honor of sitting down with Dr. Christine Moutier, the Chief Medical Officer at the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention (AFSP). Dr. Moutier's journey, deeply rooted in a culture of achievement and stoicism, stands as a testament to the transformative power of vulnerability. During our conversation, she shared the unique challenges she faced in medical school, encountering a severe mental health crisis that forced her to take a leave of absence. This pivotal period not only reshaped her approach to self-care but also ignited her passion for advocating mental health awareness within the medical profession. Dr. Moutier's story brings to light the urgent necessity of recognizing and treating mental health just as seriously as physical health, encouraging medical professionals to embrace openness about their own struggles.
Top 5 Episodes of 2024: Hope Illuminated Podcast Highlights & What's Ahead for 2025
Reflecting on 2024, we mark a deeply personal milestone: two decades since the loss of my brother, Carson. His memory continues to inspire and drive the mission of the Hope Illuminated Podcast. As an entrepreneur, Carson always sought innovative ways to scale gap-filling solutions in our health insurance industry. We try to carry on his value for entrepreneurialism by lifting up the voices of innovative thought leaders in the mental health space.
Over the last 20 years, we searched for new, solution-oriented ideas and breakthrough approaches. This journey has only reinforced our belief in the transformative power of lived experience when paired with professional expertise.
This year, we saw how centering the voices of those with lived experience fosters more compassionate and effective approaches to suicide prevention. As we move into 2025, we’re committed to expanding this advocacy and improving prevention, intervention, and crisis response efforts.
The Power of Storytelling in Suicide Prevention: Insights from Stefanie Kirchner | Ep. 134
Today we share some profound insights with our incredible guest, Dr. Stefanie Kirchner. We discuss the experiences of suicide survivors by sharing their stories about suicidality and overcoming a crisis in the media. Particularly when it comes to conversations surrounding suicide—a topic often shrouded in silence and shame. Stefanie’s research highlights a unique approach, focusing on the impact of sharing deeply personal stories. By bravely opening up, individuals don't just speak for themselves; they create ripples that can inspire hope and understanding in others who might be struggling.
New Frontlines: Trends in Veterans' Suicide Prevention and Mental Health Success with Dr. Joe Geraci | Ep. 133
Longtime friend on this week’s episode, I met Dr. Joseph Geraci on the advisory committee through "Face the Fight" a consortium/initiative; goal to reduce Veterans' suicide by 50% in 5 years. We review the crucial support mechanisms for veterans during their vulnerable transition period into civilian life, especially focusing on preventing suicide.
Perfectly Hidden Depression | Interview with Dr. Margaret Rutherford | Episode 131
I had the absolute pleasure of talking with the inspiring Dr. Margaret Rutherford. Let me tell you, Dr. Margaret’s journey is nothing short of transformative. She opened up about the pressures we put on ourselves to be perfect and how embracing both strengths and weaknesses is the key to self-acceptance. We had a fantastic discussion about the beautifully imperfect stories that connect us more deeply than any facade of perfection ever could. Margaret’s decision to share her personal struggles on social media was initially terrifying, but she found an overwhelming wave of support that made it all worth it.
From Service to Civilian: Addressing Mental Health Stigma and Veteran Suicide with Rachel Oswalt | 131
Veterans suicide death and military mental health has been making headlines for decades, on today’s episode we look at the root causes. I am joined by Rachel Oswalt, an inspiring US Navy veteran and mental wellness advocate. Rachel discusses the critical role of connecting with supportive individuals throughout her life's journey, particularly in navigating the labyrinth of military mental health. We explored some of the pressing issues plaguing military communities, from the devastating rates of veteran suicides to the overshadowing stigma that hinders mental health reporting.
Suicide Risk among Healthcare Workers with Christopher Wojnar | 130
In this episode of Hope Illuminated, nurse Christopher Wojnar shares his journey through mental health challenges, resilience, and the importance of workplace peer support in suicide prevention. Gain insights into nursing well-being and the transformative power of storytelling in mental health advocacy.
Pain, Opioids, Addiction, and Suicide – It’s Complicated with Dr. Stefan Kertesz | 129
The Bipolar General – Resilience and Recovery with Major General Greg Martin | 128
Masculinity, Mental Health, & Suicide with Simon Tyler | 126
In this episode of Hope Illuminated, I am joined by Simon Tyler for a deeply insightful conversation. Together, we dive into the complex relationship between masculinity, mental health, and suicide prevention. Simon bravely shares his personal journey, reflecting on the impact of losing father figures to suicide and his own struggles with mental health. Through his experiences in male-dominated environments like the construction industry and Australian Football, Simon sheds light on the critical need for tailored support for men facing mental health challenges.
Throughout our conversation, Simon emphasizes the pivotal role of lived experience in shaping understanding and interventions in mental health. His journey drives his commitment to supporting others and fostering meaningful change.
Listeners are invited to explore the nuances of masculinity, mental health, and suicide prevention as Simon discussed his important research. Through a mixed methods approach, Simon uncovers the complexities of suicide risk within the construction industry.
More about Simon Tyler
Prior to attending university, Simon spent an extensive period working in various areas of the construction and manufacturing industry allowing for a first-hand experience of some of the associated difficulties. Simon has a Bachelor of Psychological Science with First Class Honors and a Master of Organizational and Human Factors Psychology at the University of Adelaide. Currently, he is a PhD candidate at the University of South Australia with research focused on the nature and drivers of suicidal ideation in the Australian construction industry. Simon is the inaugural recipient of the Alison Milner Memorial Scholarship.
Takeaways
Lived experience drives understanding and intervention in mental health.
Focus on situational drivers, not just risk factors, for mental health.
Contact Simon
Show Notes
Disentangling Rates, Risk, and Drivers of Suicide in the Construction Industry https://doi.org/10.1027/0227-5910/a000885
Suicidal Ideation in the Australian Construction Industry: Prevalence and the Associations of Psychosocial Job Adversity and Adherence to Traditional Masculine Norms https://doi.org/10.3390/ijerph192315760
“And you feel like you’re suffocating … how the fuck am I going to get out of all this?” Drivers and experiences of suicidal ideation in the Australian construction industry https://doi.org/10.3389/fpsyt.2023.1144314
Compassion, Connection and Recovery Intention – How Faith Communities Can Best Support People Impacted by Suicide with Shannon Parkin | 127
Technology for Mental Health Equity, Bianca McCall | 125
Explore technology-driven mental health solutions with Bianca McCall, advocate and former athlete, on the Hope Illuminated podcast. Discover insights on breaking barriers, mental health equity, and transformative peer support. Dive deep with Dr. Sally Spencer-Thomas into this compelling conversation.
Ashtanga Trauma-Sensitive Yoga, Dr. Jessa Navidé | Episode 124
Discover the transformative power of trauma-sensitive yoga and body-centered healing in the latest episode of "Hope Illuminated" with Dr. Sally Spencer Thomas. Joined by expert guest Jessa, listeners explore the profound journey from childhood suicidal thoughts to finding empowerment through Ashtanga yoga. Dive into a candid conversation on overcoming trauma, the importance of lived experience in mental health care, and the science behind holistic approaches to healing.
Neurodiversity and Suicide -- A Mother's Search for Answers: Interview with Dr. Jessica Revill : Episode 123
Each year, the sobering statistics remind us of the heartbreaking reality: autistic individuals are six times more likely to die by suicide than their non-autistic counterparts.
In our latest episode, we delve into the powerful narrative of "Find Him Among the Living," a poignant memoir by Dr. Jessica Revill. Through her deeply personal account of her son Gregory Chew's life and tragic loss to suicide, Dr. Revill sheds light on the urgent need to address the disproportionate number of suicides within the autistic community.
Autism, a developmental condition impacting communication and sensory processing, often intersects with mental health challenges such as anxiety and depression. Shockingly, 90% of autistic individuals who die by suicide have a diagnosed mental health disorder, compared to 40% in the non-autistic population.
Join us as we navigate these critical issues, striving to create a world where every individual, regardless of neurodiversity, feels seen, supported, and valued. Tune in to my conversation with Dr. Revill and visit her website for further insights and resources on suicide prevention and autism advocacy.
How Faith Communities and Mental Health Advocates Can Partner to Create Soul Safe Spaces: Interview with David Galvan | Episode 122
CAMS-Guided Care -- The Four Cornerstones of Managing Suicidal Risk: Interview with Dr. David Jobes | Episode 121
For many mental health providers clinical training around suicide — if we received any at all — was rooted in fear and was focused on trying to mitigate risk for the clinician rather than on how to help the person in despair. In this podcast, I interview Dr. David Jobes, a clinician-researcher who has dedicated his life’s work to finding an evidence-based approach to helping people through their suicidal suffering. Here we discuss the capstone edition in his three-book series that helps clients find their way back to a passion for living.
About David A. Jobes, Ph.D., ABPP
David A. Jobes, Ph.D., ABPP, is a Professor of Psychology, Director of the Suicide Prevention Laboratory, and Associate Director of Clinical Training at The Catholic University of America in Washington DC. He is the author of seven books and numerous peer-reviewed journal articles. He is the creator of the Collaborative Assessment and Management of Suicidality (CAMS) which is an evidence-based, suicide-focused, approach to suicide risk. He is a Fellow of the American Psychological Association and is a board certified clinical psychologist (American Board of Professional Psychology). Dr. Jobes maintains a private clinical and consulting practice in DC and in Maryland.
Show Notes
Dimeff et al (2021) Using a Tablet-Based App to Deliver Evidence-Based Practices for Suicidal Patients in the Emergency Department: Pilot Randomized Controlled Trial. JMIR Ment Health 2021;8(3):e23022 https://mental.jmir.org/2021/3/e23022
Jobes, D. (2017). Clinical Assessment and Treatment of Suicidal Risk: A Critique of Contemporary Care and CAMS as a Possible Remedy. Practice Innovations, 2(4): 207–220.
Jobes, D. et al. (2018). A Stepped Care Approach to Clinical Suicide Prevention. Psychological Services. 15(3): 243–250.
Jobes, D. & Chalker, S. (2019). One Size Does Not Fit All: A Comprehensive Clinical Approach to Reducing Suicidal Ideation, Attempts, and Deaths. Int. J. Environ. Res. Public Health 16, 3606; doi:10.3390/ijerph16193606
Jobes, D. (2020). Commonsense Recommendations for Standard Care of Suicidal Risk. Journal of Health Service Psychology https://doi.org/10.1007/s42843-020-00020-3
Lynch, et al (2022) The Content of Patient-Identified Suicidal Drivers within CAMS Treatment Planning. ARCHIVES OF SUICIDE RESEARCH https://doi.org/10.1080/13811118.2022.2151958
David Rudd M, Bryan CJ, Jobes DA, Feuerstein S and Conley D (2022) A Standard Protocol for the Clinical Management of Suicidal Thoughts and Behavior: Implications for the Suicide Prevention Narrative. Frontiers in Psychiatry 13:929305. doi: 10.3389/fpsyt.2022.929305
Santel M, Neuner F, Berg M, Steuwe C, Jobes DA, Driessen M and Beblo T (2023) The Collaborative Assessment and Management of Suicidality compared to enhanced treatment as usual for inpatients who are suicidal: A randomized controlled trial. Frontiers in Psychiatry 14:1038302. doi: 10.3389/fpsyt.2023.1038302
It Happens to Men Too -- An Honest Discussion about Men and Eating Disorders: Interview with Ross Sonnenblick | Episode 120
…Understanding this evolving landscape is crucial in addressing men's body image issues and promoting a healthier, more inclusive perspective on masculinity and self-worth. By understanding these challenges, men’s health advocates hope to foster greater awareness, empathy, and support for men facing these issues.
In this episode, I interview Ross Sonnenblick about his doctoral research, his desire to help others, and his lived experience with body image challenges.